tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post2104187138794296593..comments2023-10-09T07:41:06.777-07:00Comments on Amanda Jayne Lee: I'm coming out: I'm a member of CHC and I support the Crossover ProjectAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06087302283694688596noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-16044745509287936462014-08-29T08:44:39.634-07:002014-08-29T08:44:39.634-07:00kit fan,
i am simply appalled by your statement. ...kit fan,<br /><br />i am simply appalled by your statement. Do not judge? Seriously?<br />All I ask is that you read more books, do research on reputable sources on internet, ask your leaders and pastors.<br />In fact, do a quick google search and tell me what the sources say in regards to christians judging.<br /><br />I'm not going any further with this argument.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16722666007639329109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-22780492214143488812014-08-27T20:49:13.156-07:002014-08-27T20:49:13.156-07:00ffdbfdbabs dsfdsafs, I am a member of NCC. I think...ffdbfdbabs dsfdsafs, I am a member of NCC. I think in regards to judging other Christians, you took the wrong verse because it's a hypocritical verse that points people back to themselves. <br /><br />7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.<br /><br />3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.<br /><br />What Jesus is obviously saying is that we cannot judge others. Based on our actions and thoughts, we will HAVE planks in our eyes. Everyone does. If you suppose that you can take the plank out of your eye first so that you may judge others, then you missed Jesus's point. We have no power in us to take away the plank. That’s human nature. Even now as we have anger or any bad thoughts in your heart against Pastor Kong in any way or manner, we have sinned in thought.<br /><br />There is none good but God, we will ALWAYS have a plank in our eyes in regards to judgement. It's the same story when Jesus said "Whoever is without sin cast the first stone." No one, in actions and in thoughts, is without sin and blameless. The only one without a plank or speck in his eyes is Jesus. This is the most fundamental bedrock in which Christianity stands firm. <br /><br />Our standing with God is not based on planks in our eyes or specks in other people's eyes. Our standing and salvation is simple - whether it's plank, specks, buildings or whatever dirt it is in our eyes, we are righteousness by Jesus's blood. Going by actions, we have no hope. Going by Jesus's work, we have no despair. Who are we to judge when Jesus is the one who remove all the planks, all the specks, all the wrong, all the rights? He judges, not us. <br />Does that mean we allow sin to run rampant? Of course not, we rebuke sin, but why cast the stone by judging the sinner when Jesus is the only one qualified to do that? Let’s just stand firm in the grace of God and let no other man affect our walk. It’s not our business to meddle with CHC’s issues. By Grace CHC grew, by Grace God will keep them. It’s that simple.kit fanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01341033816545879627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-23287320626152006122014-08-27T20:32:29.527-07:002014-08-27T20:32:29.527-07:00Quote: I'm not asking you to convert to Christ...Quote: I'm not asking you to convert to Christianity, nor am I asking you to suddenly become their best friends and lay your lives down for them, I'm asking you to practice respect for your fellow humans and forgiveness against something that doesn't even affect you. <br /><br />Exactly. I will be honest and say that I am from NCC, and very interested in the case. But people swing to extreme, yelling for justice when it's the perfect time for God's grace to shine forth. I really believe that in the midst of all these darkness, God's grace will shine brighter and brighter for CHC. <br /><br />Pastor Prince has said over and over again to not comment on other churches, and to be nice. Openly Pastor Prince has asked church members to show grace in the times of troubles. He went on to say that if a righteous man, any righteous man for the matter, should fall, the Lord will always hold him in His palm. If the man falls, he falls inside the hands of God, forever righteous. That's Lord's love. No conditions attached. <br /><br />John 10:28<br />…28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29"My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30"I and the Father are one."…<br /><br />Pastor Prince's only concern is that the name of Jesus is at stake, which is true, but over and over again Pastor exalts the grace of God which will tabernacle over the situation, especially for the sheep's sake.<br /><br />Pastor Prince often makes a joke about the perfect church. He says there is no such thing. If we can find a perfect church, don't join it because once we join it, it becomes imperfect already. No one is perfect, and every church has a purpose.<br /><br />I don't know about the convictions of Pastor Kong and the other accused, but I believe and pray that even as the shepherd is attacked, the flock will continue steadfast in the grace of God. The church must go on, the sheep cannot scatter. No man is irreplaceable, whether it's Pastor Kong or Pastor Prince, we look to no man but to Jesus only.<br /><br />Btw, there are no more queues in NCC, if you come for service at the Star, there will always be enough seats for everyone as the seat capacity is enough for walk-ins. Previously, with a sitting capacity of only 1500 in Rock Auditorium, there’s no wonder why queue tickets were required. More a logistical issue than anything else, so please don’t take offense. To be doubly sure, now you can just book your seats online for the morning services. Other services in the afternoon, feel free to walk in. kit fanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01341033816545879627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-72488553479902766192014-08-26T03:22:22.302-07:002014-08-26T03:22:22.302-07:00CyExL,
Absolutely. But understand that I do not r...CyExL,<br /><br />Absolutely. But understand that I do not refer to self-righteous judgment as Amanda Lee has pointed out in her reply.<br /><br />"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." - John 7:24<br /><br />U stated Matthew 7:1-4. But you forgot about verse 5 which states<br />"first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."<br /><br />It's of utmost importance that we ought to look at ourselves first before judging others. Don't just cherry pick a verse. Take it as a whole so you understand what it's specifically stating.<br /><br />Many people have this misconception that we should not judge. No. Wrong.<br />You can ask your leader.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16722666007639329109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-50262980981005975422014-08-26T03:04:38.503-07:002014-08-26T03:04:38.503-07:00Amanda Lee,
I'm glad you took it objectively....Amanda Lee,<br /><br />I'm glad you took it objectively. I'm not here for faultfinding. Simply stating my opinion. I stand to be corrected.<br />Once again, I'm not sure of your definition on 'very good christian'.<br />But I believe all of us should be well-equipped in His word, deeply anchored in our faith & form our beliefs based on His word.<br />The opposite is also true for 'weak Christians'.<br /><br />And by using words like 'shitty Christian' or 'not very good Christian', it says something.<br />Our confidence is not built on what people think of you, nor what you think of yourself. It's what God says about you.<br />Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. - 2 Corinthians 13:5<br /><br />At the very least, I presume from your blogpost and reply that you love the church; its people.<br /><br />You're right about self-righteous judgment. That would have been a more appropriate word.<br /><br />All in all, I hope you're continually growing spiritually.<br /><br />I may not be from CHC but know that you're all kept in our prayers. stand strong :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16722666007639329109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-86542118470881346912014-08-26T01:38:33.873-07:002014-08-26T01:38:33.873-07:00I loved your blog entry too mumseword! A friend po...I loved your blog entry too mumseword! A friend pointed it out to me last night :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06087302283694688596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-77695441685710162602014-08-26T00:11:36.350-07:002014-08-26T00:11:36.350-07:00Hi ffdbfdbabs dsfdsafs, just like to share with yo...Hi ffdbfdbabs dsfdsafs, just like to share with you my two cent's worth about judgement and discernment. I believe there is a very big difference between the two- because the former is by human effort but true discernment is by the Spirit of God. For did the Bible not say “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye?" (Mat 7:1-4)<br />Hence the Bible clearly states we are not to judge people at all, even after self-reflection, but extend the same understanding and mercy God has towards our circumstances and weaknesses.<br /><br />On the other hand, true discernment is not by human logic but by receiving the revelation of God regarding others through the Spirit. "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that[a] Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God." (1 John 4:1-3) I believe every Christian has to be careful about what they choose to believe about other people- whether that perception is born from the truth of God (which I believe you strongly seek after) or from worldly wisdom (which can come from our own human interpretation of God's Word and morality). <br /><br />Anyway with regards to NCC, I think there is no right or wrong way to crowd control- each church to their own logistics I guess! So think there is no need to split hairs over this issue. That being said, NCC is a great church and I have many good friends in that church even as I am a CHC member. So you are right that as the body of Christ, let's continue loving one another and upholding one another in prayer. Shalom! :)CyExLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15235714412530554646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-57608736057564936472014-08-25T23:47:31.955-07:002014-08-25T23:47:31.955-07:00^5!!! (ok except maybe the part on why they chose ...^5!!! (ok except maybe the part on why they chose to launch an English album and building fund) I'm a CHC ordinary member too and totally resonate with your open and candid write up on your thoughts!<br /><br />Regarding why they chose to launch the English album, the matter was not so straightforward for reasons that cannot be expressed publicly on social media due to political sensitivity. You can email me: celtaninnshen@gmail.com if you want to find out more. <br /><br />Anyway u go girl! :)CyExLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15235714412530554646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-29533228140351680732014-08-25T19:05:50.591-07:002014-08-25T19:05:50.591-07:00Appreciate your heartfelt blog ! We need more memb...Appreciate your heartfelt blog ! We need more members to stand up n shout it loud ! Kudos to your courage to write this ! Thanks !gijaynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14224352381565841531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-50617304300198009952014-08-25T14:55:47.604-07:002014-08-25T14:55:47.604-07:00Love it! Yes you will be applauded and you will be...Love it! Yes you will be applauded and you will be dissed at too. But haters gonna hate anyway haha. And *high five* I dun think I mma good Christian too, well I have no good definition of "good" except those laid down by self righteous people which I shall not even think about it and yeah, glad that you're not being bothered by it too... Thanks for penning such heartfelt content. Love it! :) Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11707141200931807070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-77068169461146913362014-08-25T10:22:22.445-07:002014-08-25T10:22:22.445-07:00Dude I'm definitely not naiive. I spent a long...Dude I'm definitely not naiive. I spent a long time thinking of what I should write and if you've read the whole thing properly you know I'm not one of those super "on" youth who go rah-rah at every church event.<br /><br />I left other churches too, but I feel comfortable at CHC. So what if other's left, then they have a problem with the church, that's not MY problem. I'm happy where I am and I think you should respect that rather than imply that I'm soft-minded and addled. <br /><br />You can take some lessons on objectivity from the dude above.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06087302283694688596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-6167970497441104172014-08-25T10:19:26.836-07:002014-08-25T10:19:26.836-07:00Hello! I should reflect should I! haha. I really d...Hello! I should reflect should I! haha. I really do confess that I'm not a very good christian! I mean, are you? I don't know of any "very good" christians. All I know is that we all strive towards an ideal and work hard at loving people. <br /><br />I do serve, two ministries in fact, but I'm not a leader in either. And I think that puts me in a position that allows readers to relate better. Because there are many Christians who don't serve despite being in the same church, my parents for example.<br /><br />I'm definitely not bringing down any church, I'm simply stating the problems I've found in all. I'm glad you find that there's nothing wrong in queuing... But I don't know why I should have to queue. I'd like to walk in and listen to the word of God.<br /><br />I should have been clearer and perhaps referred to what I was saying as self-righteous judgement. <br /><br />I'm not offended :) Everyone has an opinion and thank you for sharing yours! It's always healthy to have a opposing opinion. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06087302283694688596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-25135841861192568602014-08-25T09:46:09.475-07:002014-08-25T09:46:09.475-07:00Love it, sista! City Harvest has been an amazing f...Love it, sista! City Harvest has been an amazing family to me... Here, I've been blessed, empowered and nurtured. I get to live out my dreams and fulfil my calling at the same time.Eucharisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11178001041774695312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-44545658525845917312014-08-25T09:42:16.539-07:002014-08-25T09:42:16.539-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07084896584699575166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-90648338959761034632014-08-25T09:22:02.388-07:002014-08-25T09:22:02.388-07:00While many here are applauding you for what you ty...While many here are applauding you for what you typed, I think you should reflect on your blogpost. You're going to get married and you confess you're not a "very good christian"? I can't measure your definition.. but you risk damaging your marriage.<br /><br />You may not be a leader in church ministry, but I certainly hope during these 9 years, you've been serving in one platform or the other..and by that, i don't mean a one-off thing like mission trip. <br /><br />Please don't bring down other churches (NCC in this case). We're a body of christ. Fyi, There is absolutely nothing wrong in queuing.<br /><br />You're right about no condemnation. But I'm not sure your take on judgment. The bible clearly states that we are to judge, but to do so in love. Of course, we ought to re-examine ourselves before we cast judgment upon others. For if no one judges, then how do we have discernment in everything around us?<br /><br />Nevertheless.....<br /><br />I'm glad you're still in CHC. A pastor's mistake should not waver your faith in God. He is the same yesterday and today—and forever!<br />Most importantly, pray.<br /><br />If you're offended by what I typed, well...I'm stating the truth. And I hope you love the truth.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16722666007639329109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-50772820779207993922014-08-25T08:44:31.233-07:002014-08-25T08:44:31.233-07:00Thank you Amanda. Very well expressed. A friend of...Thank you Amanda. Very well expressed. A friend of mine just shared to me that the same group of people who wrote on social media to NOT trust the local newspaper on the gah-men during the last election is ALSO the same group of people who believed everything (EVERYTHING) the newspaper wrote about CHC leaders and Sun. Funny, isn't it..Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00601531669032586424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-6630503370636518042014-08-25T07:48:11.739-07:002014-08-25T07:48:11.739-07:00Well said! Many has forgotten God's commandmen...Well said! Many has forgotten God's commandment 'Thou shall not judge' and our Lords prayer '... forgive our sins as we forgive those who sin against us...' How can we beg for forgiveness if we cant forgive? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07756295413469443377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-63943201844384376862014-08-25T07:39:21.955-07:002014-08-25T07:39:21.955-07:00Absolutely love this! Hi 5!Absolutely love this! Hi 5!Klesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11082884459966347297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-73627288736585236452014-08-25T07:38:14.229-07:002014-08-25T07:38:14.229-07:00Well said! Very straightforward... No holds barred...Well said! Very straightforward... No holds barred! Thank you for standing with the church! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13852399132954680531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-33589312326111392592014-08-25T07:17:24.175-07:002014-08-25T07:17:24.175-07:00Steady la! I support ur views Amanda! Steady la! I support ur views Amanda! StarSpangledBuyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09303327706832689415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-87567447186687698692014-08-25T07:08:13.780-07:002014-08-25T07:08:13.780-07:00thank you for sharing Amanda!! (: it's nice to...thank you for sharing Amanda!! (: it's nice to have someone finally voice out our thoughts and feelings.. we are imperfect, but we still try our best to love because God first loved us.. :DMarvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13352328255338546790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-78019962507707026552014-08-25T06:59:29.155-07:002014-08-25T06:59:29.155-07:00Love this! thank you for taking the time to write ...Love this! thank you for taking the time to write your thoughts down. It sounds very much like me and I'm going to take the step of speaking out too. So thanks again. And I don't think you need to be discipled much. You seem to have your head pretty squarely on your shoulders... <br /><br />haven't said that... SOT wouldn't be a bad decision. *big grin* I've been soooooo blessed and enriched in my time there.Joanna Peckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15149851627385431051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-84785658012744995352014-08-25T06:47:40.943-07:002014-08-25T06:47:40.943-07:00Love this! Thank you for coming out! and letting e...Love this! Thank you for coming out! and letting everyone know what CHC does! :) Ed or Edmund Tayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09767254822865781652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-5773903521055533812014-08-25T06:39:47.888-07:002014-08-25T06:39:47.888-07:00I love how this is as real as it can gets.. you ha...I love how this is as real as it can gets.. you have put it into words so well.. it is an inspite of but we still choose to love!! Thanks for sharing!!Grace Rayshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06273480563525926728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1045642686446057940.post-6512871430718950432014-08-25T05:57:44.877-07:002014-08-25T05:57:44.877-07:00Love this!! :) Thank you for sharing too!! Love this!! :) Thank you for sharing too!! Jiahuihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08490490742624649345noreply@blogger.com